corbett ([info]corbett) wrote,
@ 2009-03-23 20:51:00
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I'm No Financial Wizard, But Here's What I Think Anyway
The original problem: Banks began lending to people they shouldn't have. The banks saw dollar signs when they should have seen stop signs. It was like a Nat Geo film of a shark feeding frenzy: the banks ignored the risks inherent in lending to those without income or in a sub-prime status because the addictive instinct for these guys is profit. Banks need to make money to be able to lend more money, after all. Yes, it really was that simple.

The deeper problem: Those mortgages are seen as assets (because if you default on your mortgage, they get to keep your house and you get to hurry up and find someone with a large truck to haul your stuff from the curb.) Now the bank has a real problem: they have an empty house, a money-making asset that isn't making any money. As bank-owned properties pile up near each other, the asking prices for the properties drop and the surrounding property values drop, leading to an even greater devaluing of all local properties. There's a tremendous amount of profit the bank has lost on this single mortgage that's gone tits up. Not only has the bank lost out on the gamble for homeownership-by-those-that-shouldn't, but now your home's value has dropped considerably as well. Oh, but it gets worse because...

The problem gets even more fucked up: Granted, to this point, it's sort of a no-brainer in that the banks brought this on themselves by throwing caution to the wind and not lending sensibly. As a nation, we've dealt with these kinds of banking problems before - most recently, the S&L issues of the Reagan years. But the problem is compounded several times in the whiz-bang 21st century era because of the rise of large financial bank-holding companies, hedge funds, large corporate insurance companies, and government chartered mortgage guarantee corporations. All of these their roles to play, but by-and-large what they all did was consolidate your mortgage and my mortgage and your never-employed neighbor's mortgage into something called a mortgage-backed security. These mortgage-backed securities were then sold as even larger assets to investors and banks as solid AAA-rated investments. Then insurance companies, like AIG, and others came along and made bets - they couldn't call it insurance because insurance is regulated by the government - called Credit Default Swaps (CDSs) that insured that these mortgage-backed securities would always make a profit and never lose money. Then there were default swaps on top of default swaps on top of default swaps.

Stop me when this starts to look like a house of cards. Oh, I suppose I should have made that suggestion right after the point where you take a mortgage with Bank A. Well, you know, if I had done that and if the world really worked that, a lot of already-rich guys on Wall Street wouldn't be as rich as they are today.

When The Cards Came Crashing Down: That house of cards began to fall when your unemployed douchebag neighbor walked away from the house he couldn't afford, defaulting on his mortgage. The millions who didn't understand the ramifications of No Down Payment, AltA, and Adjustable Rate Mortgages have made a massive impact as well. I already mentioned the problems that a default on the mortgage causes the bank holding the mortgage... and it doesn't really take a genius to see how that problem ripples upward through the house of cards built on top of those shitty mortgages: While the bank is losing money on the failed mortgage, the investment bank that owns the larger mortgage-backed security that includes that mortgage (or more typically, just a portion of that mortgage) is now taking a loss on the larger asset, which in turn means that investment bank can call up the guys at AIG and cash in on the default swap (that is: unregulated insurance on the mortgage security.)

But the insurance companies like AIG didn't have enough cash to pay out on the trillions - TRILLIONS - of dollars in credit default swaps that they made. If AIG could not make the agreed-to payments to the large banks and other institutions that held the mortgage-backed securities they owed, then those institutions would be in serious trouble of going bankrupt. The bankruptcy of investment houses holding trillions of dollars in mortgage securities would continue a cascading effect that would destroy the already troubled banks.

Ah, their arrogance and greed cuts them off at the knees, you say. Perhaps, but consider the consequences of the problem already: depleted bank reserves and so many defaulted loans brought the credit markets (that is, banks lending to other banks and thus lending to consumers) came to a screeching halt. Without a nearly flawless credit score, it's become nearly impossible to obtain a new mortgage, refinance at today's lower rates, or hell - even get a loan for a new car.

Consider this then: Because Bubba the Jobless down the block lost his home eight months ago and the bank has been unable to sell the property, like countless others, the property values in your neighbor (and many, many others like it) have plummeted. While the house was a great value and investment when you bought it five years ago, suddenly you're what's considered "under water". That is, the value of your home has dropped so much that you now have negative equity (meaning, you now owe more on your mortgage than the home can be valued at). Because of the broader problems in the markets and government intervention (has it really been helpful? For you?), mortgage rates are at a true low... but you can't do a damned thing to reduce your monthly payments because being "under water" means there isn't a bank or institution that would touch you. They aren't going to give you a loan to (re)purchase an asset (your house) at a price greater than it's actual worth (today). That is unless you are willing to pay off the full amount that brings you to current assessed value (PLUS the standard closing costs).

That's the situation millions upon millions of American find themselves in - through (largely) no fault of their own. They are right to be angry about the efforts to bail out the investment banks and insurance firms. [But we can't be too loud about it because these are the same firms that our 401Ks and IRAs and other investment and retirement accounts are invested in. Their downfalls could mean we're all working until we're 90.]

What to do then?

Again, it's been a while since I've said so (since the subject line, to be exact), but I'm no financial wizard and this is just my impression and could be totally off the mark.

The Obama Administration needs to stop concerning itself with the day-to-day will-they-or-won't-they failure options of the large institutions. Only by directing their attention to shoring up the mortgage failure problem itself, can the Administration hope to come out of this a winner.

But before I get to that, let me make a blanket statement about the institutional problem: Credit Default Swaps should be illegal. Period. I simply cannot see how a third party can wager money on an insurance policy for a asset that is, itself, not really an asset but a conglomeration of bits and pieces of smaller assets (in this case, mortgages). In my fucked up world where Mary McDonnell would be nominated for a Best Actress in a Drama for her work on Battlestar Galactica, such notions as Credit Default Swaps would be against the law.

When it comes to the mortgage problem itself - for those in good standing who have been accidental drag-alongs for this depression-in-the-making there's been little solace. And even less help. And, to be honest, this same thing could be said for the banks themselves. Sure the banks made many loans they shouldn't have, but those tend to be larger (national) banks. For smaller banks, they've been hurt by the ripple effect all of these troubles have caused.

It seems to me (again: no financial wizard) that if the government wants to help the banks and help homeowners, they should insist on a few conditions for the spending/acceptance of government funds (such as the $700 billion TARP fund). These are the conditions I think are lacking and could help alleviate some of the problems:
  • TARP for Closing Costs: It's prohibitive for far too many in-good-standing homeowners to shell out the $10k or more required out-of-pocket for closing costs to refinance at the today's lower rates. The government could insist that banks accepting TARP funds use a portion of those funds to cover the nonsense that makes up closing costs.
  • Closing costs incorporated into mortgage: This was a suggestion from Earl and after thinking about it, it seems pretty reasonable to me. The closing costs could easily be incorporated into the term of the mortgage without adding any truly substantial cost to the loan itself. It MAY require some additional financial expenditure up front by the bank issuing the mortgage, but I don't see how it could be a loss for them considering the length of mortgages.
  • Longer term mortgages for "under water" homeowners wishing to refinance: Again - far too many of those wishing to refinance to lower rates (thereby giving themselves possibly several hundred dollars a month... giving them additional spending capacity elsewhere) are unable to do so because they are unable to refinance. Homeowners "under water" should be able to have their mortgage term length adjusted (that is, lengthened) to accommodate a lower rate based on a 30-year-fixed mortgage but have the term extended up to a 50-year period. Such loans would have to include an option to pay off sooner without penalty. Such loans would be for the value of the home at it's original purchase price. The loan could be broken into two parts (or made as two separate loans): The current value of the home at a reasonable current rate for 30 years, with a possibly longer-term no-interest loan (backed by government guarantee) for the outstanding value of the original loan. (Example: You purchased for $400k; today's assessed value is $300k. Under today's rules, you couldn't refinance because you owe more than the property is worth. Under my idea, the bank could allow you to refinance the current value of $300k at today's rate, and allow (based on some scale) for a longer no-interest (government guaranteed) loan for the outstanding $100k in value lost.)

    This probably wouldn't work, but hey, I don't hear anyone else - especially the president, his administration, or congress - making any suggestions to help out the homeowners who have played by the rules but been screwed by the financial house of cards.
I should have no interest in the existence of AIG and the investment banks and gamblers like them, but, at the end of the day, we all sort of HAVE TO because of our retirement and mutual funds.

As I've said, I'm not a financial expert, but it seems to me that the continued loss of 600,000 jobs a month means what we've been doing hasn't been working.



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Missed it by that || much
(Anonymous)
2009-03-24 04:32 pm UTC (link)
The issue is that your solution, though magnamimous to homeowners, doesn't address the problem. Spending finite resourses on people who don't need the help directs those resoursec away from where they're needed. Remember, being under water is only a bad thing if you want to sell. An inability to refinance doesn't hurt you; it just means you don't get a better deal.

Making generous terms available for re-financing existing homes doesn't spur new construction. It also doesn't open the credit tap for small business and car loans, which is where the real damage is being done now. The issue wasn't that too many people defaulted on their mortgages (at least, not before half a million a month started losing their jobs, it wasn't); it was because each mortgage was insured well above its value by the time all the CDSs were sorted out, so the default of a $200,000 mortgage may have spurred half a million dollars or more of payment requests. AIG and its CDS peers acted as though it was a huge Ponzi scheme, and that they would never have to pay off on them. They were wrong, and that's what brought the house down.

Well, that and gay marriage. Never underestimate the effect of gay mariage on every facet of American life.

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It's aqua teen bitch!
[info]rcdl
2009-03-29 12:16 am UTC (link)
I'm no internet Wwwyzzerdd but LJ is dead. Facebook is thee wave of the future. And remember, the surgry to implant the mind probes are is so painless, its no wonder we're number one!

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Reality
(Anonymous)
2009-05-07 03:06 pm UTC (link)
You are correct in asserting that the banks made loans to individuals that did not have the financial resources to either: a) repay the loan, or b) qualify for the loan in the first place. What, in my opinion you are leaving out, is the liberal policy and mindset that everyone should be able to own their own home. Such a concept is not reality and has been propagated for the better part of the past 40 years. The truth (reality) is that not everyone will own their own home, let along a 3,000 square foot mansion on 1/4 acre of land. Banks were pressed (yes by both Dems & Repubs) to make loans more available to low-income and minority borrowers(Fannie & Freddie) who could not afford to put the traditional 20% down on a home loan. You are also correct in that the banks got greedy and starting coming up with financial products that were less than sound and the insurers underestimated the risks involved in such products. In addition, no one ever thought that the specific series of events that would cause the "house of cards" to fall would ever occur.

Anyone with a brain (by this i mean someone who thinks for themselves and doesn't drink the party, either Dem or Repub, Kool-Aid)could see that the rapid appreciation of home prices could not be sustained for ever. Many people made the same mistake not but 5 years earlier when they lost, in aggregate, trillions of dollars in the Tech bubble.

As far as blame on corporations, well the whole point of a corporation is to make money and increase its value to its owners (bond and stock holders). Corps are not in the business of pushing social or political agenda's or losing money (unless of course they are a sham created to create artificial losses that are used to offset against legitimate income).

Put the cup down Sean and open your eyes. Both of the major parties are essentially the same and only differ on some issues. The one thing they both have in common is neither wants to change the system as it is set-up now, because the power that they have some carefully grabbed would be gone. Read about the austrian system (Ron Paul) and allow people to make mistakes, take responsibility for their actions, and evolve; since of course your prior post wished a happy birthday to Darwin.

As an aside, i am not really anonymous, we knew each other about 15 years ago and at the time were friends and carpooled. TS.

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Re: Reality
[info]corbett
2009-05-12 01:29 am UTC (link)
I've thought about how to respond to this, Tom. And here's what I have:

1. The liberal policy and mindset that everyone should own a home? I'm not sure where you've got this notion from, but last time I checked, it was the previous president - the one named Bush, who was certainly no liberal - who pushed during his first time what he called "the ownership society". Last time I checked, liberals were being blamed as the cause for low-income housing complexes built in the 1960s. I think there's a distinction between assisting people with having a roof over their family's head and actually owning a 4-bedroom, 3-bath colonial.

As a liberal, I can you've done a good job of generalizing, if not misrepresenting the liberal position.

2. Home values: You won't get an argument from me on this. It didn't take a PhD to see they couldn't continue to climb at ungodly rates forever.

3. Corporations are for-profit? Yes, tell me something I don't know. I think the larger point is that they should not be above regulation. (And really, isn't that what you're suggesting in your mentioning of Ron Paul?) Anyone who thinks the free market regulates itself didn't live through the last 10 or 12 years. I'll say "Enron" and you'll say "They were bankrupted for what they did" and then I'll counter "And thousands of innocent people, from low level employees to pension funds, lost their jobs and retirement livelihoods because of what the guys running Enron did." The point is that business run amuck leaves more than just "the business" bankrupt, whether it's Enron or the lucky bastards at AIG who were gracious enough to get a government bailout.

4. Sure, the parties operate within the established rules of the game. That's why they are, by and large, successful. If they weren't, we'd have different parties.

Lastly, you can take all the responsibility you want for your own actions, but getting screwed over through no fault of your own, well, that's what I'm against. But then, I guess, that's what makes me a liberal.

Aside from politics, how's life?

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Re: Reality
(Anonymous)
2009-05-15 05:03 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for the reply. I have missed you since those days; not in a stalker or romantic kind of way or anyhting like that. Things are well, i am married, w/ 2 kids. Don't start with the white male, stereotypical family stuff, don't have a dog or a white picket fence (do have a fence, its just not white). We live in Annapolis and I work for the State. I rationalize may small government beliefs in that the job a have, is performing audits of state agencies in order to help them find ways to become more efficient and effective. In the last 15 years I have taken up hunting and gardening. Nothing really exciting going on here. I was vague about my identity on purpose; I am not comfortable giving out more personal information than I absolutely have to.

As for the politics:

1) First as for Bushy poo. He was more of a true liberal than many would admit; he expanded government and took away our civil liberties. He definetely was not a conservative. As for the homeownership issue it has been pushed since following WW2 (FDR was a liberal. Hell, he could probably be considered Papa-lib for the current crop that is out their now). Last time I checked, the libs were being blamed for Public Housing (PH) and i think they rightly should be. Something is always left out in the debate over PH and that is the word temporary. PH was never established for people to spend their entire lives in it; it was supposed to be a place for those down on their luck to get back on their feet and to move on; that has not been the case (sorry for the figures of speech).

Misrepresenting the Lib position; i am not sure about that. You will not get an arguement from me that people (and their associated family) should be provided a temporary roof. I cannot however agree to a permanent roof, unless extraordinary conditions exist ( I will give you that their are people who cannot take care of themselves or support themselves wholly, through no fault of their own. e.g. people with mental or physical disa.)

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Re: Reality
(Anonymous)
2009-05-15 05:06 pm UTC (link)
2nd part. Soory or the multiple posts.

3) Sorry, did not mean to be condescending, that was not my intention. As for Paul, yes. I am for the least amount of Government intrusion as possible. If you said Enron, i would say, the regulators were asleep at the switch.

Employees: they are paid for their work and are also provided with other non-cash benefits (ins, leave, etc). No one says that they have to invest their entire life savings or pensions for that matter, in stock of the company they work for. (Before you start talking about companies restricting the sale of stock options and automatically investing in the purchase of company stock, please let me say that I am aware of the limitations that may be placed on employee-stock ownership.) These employees are falling into a similiar mindset (not the same because they are not driving the ship) of greed as the guys at the top. I am not sure, but if questioned, many former Enron employees would tell you (before the collaspe) that they loved working for Enron and were happy that they were becoming paper millionaires. This is where the greed starts to creep in. The employees had the option of divesting their holdings in Enron and moving into more diverse investment options; they didn't and I, along with many other shouldn't be the one to pick-up the pieces because someone esle is waiting to make more money.

Pension Funds: They are the same as the employees. They are looking for the high flyers and well, Enron was one, if not the brightest of them.

The problem with Enron (and the mortage industry), besides any outright fraud of course, is that their business are complicated. So complicated in fact that even people that worked in these companies did not fully understand how they operated. The analysts for the most part didn't question how or where the profits came from (they should but they didn't), the regulators didn't really understand the business (it is kinda hard to regulate, if you don't know what you are looking at) and the investors could only see $$$ as the stock went up.

4) As for the parties they do operate within the established rules of the game, however they make the rules and can change them whenever it suits their fancy or benefit. I do agree we would have different parties, but fear that they would in name only, be different, not belief.

As for responsibility and getting screwed through no fault of your own. The other players (besides the big-wigs at the top) do share some of the fault. They either didn't want to see or weren't looking hard enough. I personnaly don't expect anyone or anything to give me anything for free. Nothing is free, nothing. If I have not earned it and someone wants to give me something, I want to know what is attached; what condiitons are being placed on it. I am highly skeptical and questioning of almost everything.

By the way, since politics is one of the two topics that people get really charged up about, if you ever want to dicuss the other (religion), i am fine with that. I think that you and i will probably be a little closer on Catholism (I try and question alot of that also). For example, when i got married ( i married a catholic girl) we had to go and talk to the priest. Well i told him i di d not believe in the buracracy of the church nor did i believe that the Pope was Gods representative on earth. My wife almost died right thier ( she know of my feelings, but didn't want me telling the priest). He asked what i felt of the current state of the church and i couldn't lie to him, so i told him the truth.

I do have a question and it is a bit akward, but here goes. In reading through some of your posts, as well as comments left by fans, freinds, etc, you refer to Earl. I am going to assume that you are gay, if not please correct me on this issue. Incidently, i found this blog through your friendster page (i am not a member, not really into social networking. The wife did talk me into joining Facebook, so if you want to find me i am on thier). I found the freindster page by coming across a Star-Trek episode that you must have written and posted on the Net.

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Re: Reality
[info]corbett
2009-05-20 01:06 am UTC (link)
Moving past the political debate on this, I'll go on to the other electrically-charged topic you mention, and then I'll answer the not-as-awkward-as-it-may-seem question.

I truly credit my education at St. Joe for something I'm just not sure I could have learned in a public score: critical thinking; that is, to think for myself and to question. This likely has helped with my life-long love of science and learning.

Now that I think about it, why beat around the bush. I often joke with new acquaintances "I went to an all boys Catholic high school. I turned out atheist and gay."

I learned in those years, looking back on it, to think for myself and to be honest with myself. And there weren't better lessons I could have come away with than those.

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Re: Reality
[info]corbett
2009-05-20 01:08 am UTC (link)
BTW. If interested, my email is, in simple code to avoid being snagged by spiders/bots/etc:

[first initial][last name]1976@gmail

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Re: Reality
(Anonymous)
2009-05-21 11:45 am UTC (link)
I sent you an e-mail from my personal e-mail address.

I too also belive that St Joe helped me develop my critical thinking skills, however they was a period of a few years after St Joe where I had an awakening which really pushed me to being much more self-aware. After that I voted Repub, but knew that they really weren't sticking to their roots. On many issues i would probably be considered a Lib. The reason for this is simple; i just don't care that much, the choice is someone elses, and who am I to impose my thougths and beliefs on another. Abortion is one such topic. For example, i think that people should be free to make their own choices. While i could never abort a child, who am i to say that someone else should not have that choice, so here I differ dramatically from the stereotypical Repub, Catholic idealogy on this.

It all comes down to choices; that is why i am a libertarian. I also believe that the less government does, the better.

On another note, where did you buy a house? (I noticed that you had said that you lived in MoCo). I am not looking for the address, just the general area. ( If i wanted to their is a free public database administered by a State executive branch agency that allows you to see and search land records, by county, and by name). If you want the site address send your request to my personal e-mail. Talk to you later.

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Re: Reality
[info]corbett
2009-05-21 11:51 pm UTC (link)
Didn't receive any emails... scorbett1976 at gmail

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